Bava Metzia 182

Chapter 182

א אילו נאמר (ויקרא יט, יט) בהמתך לא תרביע הייתי אומר לא יאחוז אדם את הבהמה כדי שיעלה עליה זכר תלמוד לומר כלאים כלאים הוא דאסור הא מין במינו שרי
1 Had Scripture stated, Thou shalt not cause thy cattle to gender, I should have thought [it to mean], One must not hold a beast for the male to copulate with it; therefore it is said, with a diverse kind. Hence, only in regard to different species is it forbidden; but in the same species,it is permitted. Yet even there, only holding is permitted — but not 'assisting'. — What is meant by 'holding'? 'Assisting'. And why is it called 'holding'? As a delicate term.
ב ומין במינו נמי אחיזה אין הכנסה לא מאי אחיזה הכנסה ואמאי קרי ליה אחיזה לישנא מעליא
2 R. Ashi said: This question was put to me by the scholars of Rabbana<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' So the text as emended by Rashal: Rabbana was a Babylonian title. ');"><sup>1</sup></span>
ג אמר רב אשי הא מילתא בעו מינאי דבי רב נחמיה ריש גלותא מהו להכניס מין ומינו ושאינו מינו לדיר כיון דאיכא מיניה בתר מיניה גריר או דלמא אפילו הכי לא ופשטי להו לאיסורא דלא כהלכתא משום פריצותא דעבדי
3 Nehemiah, the Resh Galutha:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. p. 387, n. 8. ');"><sup>2</sup></span>
ד <big><strong>מתני׳</strong></big> היה עושה בידיו אבל לא ברגליו ברגליו אבל לא בידיו אפילו בכתיפו הרי זה אוכל ר' יוסי ברבי יהודה אומר עד שיעשה בידיו וברגליו
4 May an animal be led into a stable together with one of its own species and another heterogeneous to it? [Do we argue,] Having its own kind, it will be attracted thereto; or perhaps, even so, it is not [permitted]? And I answered them that it is forbidden; not because the law is so, but on account of the licentiousness of slaves.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Which might receive an impetus by such an act. ');"><sup>3</sup></span>
ה <big><strong>גמ׳</strong></big> מ"ט (דברים כג, כה) כי תבא בכרם רעך בכל מאי דעביד
5 <b><i>MISHNAH</i></b>. IF HE [THE LABOURER] WORKS WITH HIS HANDS BUT NOT WITH HIS FEET, OR WITH HIS FEET BUT NOT WITH HIS HANDS; [AND] EVEN IF HE WORKS WITH HIS SHOULDERS [ONLY], HE MAY EAT. R. JOSE SON OF R. JUDAH SAID: [HE MAY NOT EAT] UNLESS HE WORKS WITH HIS HANDS AND FEET.
ו רבי יוסי בר' יהודה אומר עד שיעשה בידיו וברגליו מ"ט דר' יוסי ברבי יהודה כי שור מה שור עד שיעשה בידיו וברגליו אף פועל עד שיעשה בידיו וברגליו
6 <b><i>GEMARA</i></b>. What is the reason [of the first Tanna]? — <i>When thou comest into they neighbour's vineyard</i><span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Deut. XXIII, 25. ');"><sup>4</sup></span>
ז בעי רבה בר רב הונא דש באווזין ותרנגולים לר' יוסי ברבי יהודה מהו בכל כחו בעינן והא איכא או דלמא בידיו וברגליו בעינן והא ליכא תיקו
7 implies, for whatever work he may do.
ח אמר רב נחמן אמר רבה בר אבוה פועלים עד שלא הילכו שתי וערב בגת אוכלין ענבים ואין שותין יין משהילכו שתי וערב בגת אוכלין ענבים ושותין יין
8 R. JOSE SON OF R. JUDAH SAID: [HE MAY NOT EAT] UNLESS HE WORKS WITH HIS HANDS AND FEET. What is the reason of R. Jose son of R. Judah? — He [the labourer] is likened to the ox:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. top of 89a. ');"><sup>5</sup></span>
ט <big><strong>מתני׳</strong></big> היה עושה בתאנים לא יאכל בענבים בענבים לא יאכל בתאנים אבל מונע את עצמו עד שמגיע למקום יפות ואוכל
9 just as the ox [does not eat unless] it works with its hands and feet,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., with its fore and hind-feet, both of course, being employed in threshing. ');"><sup>6</sup></span>
י וכולן לא אמרו אלא בשעת מלאכה אבל משום השב אבידה לבעלים אמרו פועלין אוכלין בהליכתן מאומן לאומן ובחזירתן מן הגת ובחמור כשהיא פורקת
10 so the labourer too must work with his hands and feet.
יא <big><strong>גמ׳</strong></big> איבעיא להו עושה בגפן זה מהו שיאכל בגפן אחר ממין שאתה נותן לכליו של בעל הבית בעינן והא איכא או דלמא ממה שאתה נותן לכליו של בעל הבית בעינן והא ליכא
11 Rabbah son of R. Huna propounded: According to R. Jose son of R. Judah, what if one threshes with geese and fowls?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' May their beaks be muzzled or not? ');"><sup>7</sup></span>
יב ואם תמצי לומר עושה בגפן זה לא יאכל בגפן אחר שור במחובר היכי אכיל אמר רב שישא בריה דרב אידי בשרכא
12 Is it necessary that [the work shall be done] with all its [sc. the creature that threshes] strength, which provision is complied with? Or perhaps, it must work with its fore-feet and hind-feet, which is here absent? — The problem remains unsolved.
יג תא שמע היה עושה בתאנים לא יאכל בענבים הא תאנים ותאנים דומיא דתאנים וענבים אוכל ואי אמרת עושה בגפן זה אינו אוכל בגפן אחר היכי משכחת לה אמר רב שישא בריה דרב אידי במודלית
13 R. Nahman said in Rabbah b. Abbuha's name: Labourers, before they walk both lengthwise and crosswise in the winepress, may eat grapes but drink no wine. Having walked lengthwise and crosswise in the winepress, they may eat grapes and drink wine.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Labourers trod out the wine from the grapes by walking upon them lengthwise and crosswise. Now, when they have walked only in one direction, the wine is not yet visible, therefore they must confine themselves to the grapes, since the labourer may eat only of that upon which he is engaged. But when they have walked in both directions, the expressed wine is visible, and therefore they may drink thereof. ');"><sup>8</sup></span>
יד תא שמע אבל מונע את עצמו עד שמגיע למקום היפות ואוכל ואי אמרת עושה בגפן זה אוכל בגפן אחר ניזיל וניתי וניכול התם משום ביטול מלאכה לא קא מיבעיא לן כי קא מבעיא לן היכא דאיכא אשתו ובניו מאי
14 <b><i>MISHNAH</i></b>. WHEN HE [THE LABOURER] IS WORKING AMONG FIGS, HE MUST NOT EAT OF GRAPES; AMONG GRAPES, HE MUST NOT EAT OF FIGS. YET HE MAY RESTRAIN HIMSELF UNTIL HE COMES TO THE CHOICE QUALITY [FRUIT] AND THEN EAT.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., he is not bound to eat as soon as he feels hungry, but may wait until he reaches the best. ');"><sup>9</sup></span>
טו תא שמע וכולם לא אמרו אלא בשעת מלאכה אבל מפני השב אבידה לבעלים אמרו פועלים אוכלים בהליכתן מאומן לאומן ובחזירתן מן הגת
15 NOW, WITH RESPECT TO ALL OF THEM [SC. THE LABOURERS], PERMISSION WAS GIVEN ONLY WHEN THEY ARE ACTUALLY AT WORK;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' But not to finish their work and then eat. ');"><sup>10</sup></span>
טז סברוה מהלך כעושה מעשה דמי ומשום השב אבידה לבעלים הוא דאכיל מדאורייתא לא אכיל אלמא עושה בגפן זה אינו אוכל בגפן אחר
16 BUT IN ORDER TO SAVE THE EMPLOYER'S TIME,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'to restore lost property to the owners.' ');"><sup>11</sup></span>
יז לא לעולם אימא לך עושה בגפן זה אוכל בגפן אחר ומהלך לאו כעושה מעשה דמי
17 THEY<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The Rabbis. ');"><sup>12</sup></span>
יח איכא דאמרי סברוה מהלך לאו כעושה מעשה דמי והיינו טעמא דמדאורייתא לא אכיל משום דלאו כעושה מעשה דמי הא עושה מעשה אכיל מדאורייתא אלמא עושה בגפן זה אוכל בגפן אחר
18 RULED, LABOURERS MAY EAT AS THEY WALK FROM ROW TO ROW,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Though they are not actually working then. ');"><sup>13</sup></span>
יט לא לעולם אימא לך עושה בגפן זה אינו אוכל בגפן אחר
19 AND WHEN RETURNING FROM THE WINEPRESS. AND AS FOR AN ASS, [IT MAY EAT] WHILST BEING UNLADEN.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' This is discussed in the Gemara. ');"><sup>14</sup></span> <b><i>GEMARA</i></b>. The scholars propounded: Whilst working on one vine, may he [the labourer] eat of another?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., cut a cluster of grapes from one vine of choicer quality and then come and work upon another. ');"><sup>15</sup></span> Is it merely necessary [that thou shalt eat only] of the kind which thou puttest into the employer's baskets,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The phraseology is based upon Deut. XXIII, 25: but thou shalt not put any in thy vessel, which implies that the labourer may eat only of that which he does put into the employer's vessel. ');"><sup>16</sup></span> which [requirement] is fulfilled; or is it stipulated that [thou shalt eat only] that [i.e., the tree from] which thou puttest into the employer's baskets, which is here lacking? [But] should you say, when working on one vine he may not eat of another, how can an ox eat of what is attached to the soil?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' For, as stated supra 89a, the same conditions govern both man and beast. Now, as the ox stands in front of the cart into which the grapes are laden the labourers naturally gather the grapes not from the vine in front of the ox, but behind it, which is level with the cart. Hence, the ox cannot possibly eat of the vine upon which it is employed (Rashi). Tosaf.: When the ox is threshing grain attached to the soil, its mouth cannot reach the ears upon which it actually treads. Now, in the case of detached corn, that does not matter, because the whole is regarded as one bundle; but in the case of growing corn, each little tuft is regarded as separate. ');"><sup>17</sup></span> — R. Shisha the son of R. Idi replied: It is possible in the case of a straggling branch.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' A vine which stretches from behind the ox to in front of it, so Rashi. Tosaf.: A luxuriant growth, i.e., long ears of corn which reach from the feet of the ox to its mouth. Hence, the Talmudic objection being answered, the problem remains. ');"><sup>18</sup></span> Come and hear: IF HE [THE LABOURER] IS WORKING AMONG FIGS, HE MUST NOT EAT OF GRAPES. This implies that he may eat of figs [when working] on figs, on the same conditions that [he may not eat of] figs [when working] on grapes:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., on a different tree. ');"><sup>19</sup></span> but should you say, If he works on one vine he may not eat of another, how is this possible? — R. Shisha, the son of R. Idi said: It is possible in the case of an overhanging branch.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., when one vine overhangs another, and when a vine overhangs a fig-tree. Actually, he has to work upon both, since one must be disentangled from the other. In that case he may eat of the overhanging vine whilst working on the other, but not of the overhanging fig-tree. ');"><sup>20</sup></span> Come and hear: BUT HE MAY RESTRAIN HIMSELF UNTIL HE COMES TO THE CHOICE QUALITY [FRUIT], AND THEN EAT. But should you say: Whilst employed on one vine he may eat of another, let him go, bring [the choice fruit] and eat it [and why restrain himself]? — There it is [forbidden] because of loss of time; [in that case,] there is no question.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' It is certainly forbidden. ');"><sup>21</sup></span> Our problem arises only if he has his wife and children with him:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' There is no loss of time, as they can bring it. ');"><sup>22</sup></span> what then? — Come and hear: NOW, WITH RESPECT TO ALL OF THEM [SC. THE LABOURERS], PERMISSION WAS GIVEN ONLY WHEN THEY ARE ACTUALLY AT WORK, BUT IN ORDER TO SAVE THE EMPLOYER'S TIME, THEY RULED, LABOURERS MAY EAT AS THEY WALK FROM ROW TO ROW, AND WHEN RETURNING FROM THE WINE-PRESS. Now, it was assumed that walking [from vine to vine] is regarded as actual work [it being necessary thereto], yet he may eat only in order to save the employer's time, but not by Scriptural law; thus proving that whilst engaged on one vine he may not eat of another! — No. In truth I may assert that whilst engaged on one vine he may eat of another; but walking is not regarded as actual work. Others say, it was assumed that walking is not regarded as actual work, and only on that account may he not eat by Scriptural law, because he is not doing work; but if he were doing actual work, he might eat even by Biblical law, thus proving that whilst engaged on one vine he may eat of another! — No; in truth I may assert that whilst engaged on one vine he may not eat of another;